tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post8272669006780097379..comments2024-03-28T11:25:51.846+01:00Comments on Unspoken Cinema: Updated genealogy chartBenoitRouillyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525748892885946674noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-31262698001778457912007-12-10T23:29:00.000+01:002007-12-10T23:29:00.000+01:00Ok, I might be pushing it with Exotica... it's cer...Ok, I might be pushing it with <B>Exotica</B>... it's certainly not the most representative anyway. <BR/>I don't know Pasolini (only seen <B>Gospel</B>) nor Russel, so if you want to suggest particular films, there is a <A HREF="http://unspokencinema.blogspot.com/2006/10/chronology.html" REL="nofollow">chronological list</A> that is more inclusive for referential purpose. And we have a <A HREF="HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-32439376961351071992007-12-10T22:26:00.000+01:002007-12-10T22:26:00.000+01:00I see what you mean with the films rather than the...I see what you mean with the films rather than the directors entering the graph. "Calendar" is indeed contemplative cinema: little or no plot, speechy but it's mostly irrelevant to the action (chit-chat rather than conversation), and cyclical and repetitive structure.<BR/><BR/>"Exotica" I wouldn't agree so much, but it's hard to call it a mainstream/industrial film either. Egoyan seems to be Carlos Ferraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16078108010019508206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-78546898014414155222007-12-10T14:41:00.000+01:002007-12-10T14:41:00.000+01:00Hi Carlos, you're welcome here. Please add your cr...Hi Carlos, you're welcome here. Please add your criticism to our body of work to balance with the pedantism. It's all good ;)<BR/><BR/>You're right it's a sketch to help visualize the commonalities and the distinction between all teh filmmakers we talk about here. I realized there was more and more people fitting in the nebulous trend of "contempative cinema". So it doesn't make any sense to say HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-516031010303657572007-12-10T01:28:00.000+01:002007-12-10T01:28:00.000+01:00I just discovered your wonderful blog this Sunday ...I just discovered your wonderful blog this Sunday night and am enjoying it very much. Very interesting and runs the fine line between pedantism and relevance.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for this graph although it is, in my opinion, still very very much a sketch. For example, the Tarkovsky of The Sacrifice or Stalker or Andrey Rublev is very much in the "Speechy" column. Also, Egoyan has done so many Carlos Ferraohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16078108010019508206noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-60932879557208970012007-11-27T17:18:00.000+01:002007-11-27T17:18:00.000+01:00Not sure that Shimazu meant exactly the same thing...Not sure that Shimazu meant exactly the same thing by his use of the term "neo-realism" as later Western users -- but do find it interesting that Japanese film folk coined a deliberate English-ism like "neo-realism" so early. ;~}Michael E. Kerpan Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14520243158889746324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-76104369829313563602007-11-27T12:41:00.000+01:002007-11-27T12:41:00.000+01:00I kept the "neorealism" label to italian auteurs o...I kept the "neorealism" label to italian auteurs only. But I didn't know if it could be extended outside this territory and timeframe? <BR/>Ozu and Mizoguchi are considered a neorealist too, right? Satyajit Ray also, I think. And like you suggest, Kiarostami is a neorealist in the core.<BR/>The "Modernity" label is difficult to circonscribe too...HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-1735573817883399022007-11-27T12:33:00.000+01:002007-11-27T12:33:00.000+01:00Ok I updated the picture. I also changed the dialo...Ok I updated the picture. <BR/><BR/>I also changed the dialogue spectrum in the chart header. Which was going from "silence" to "speechy", but it is not as clear as that. Only the "mainstream" format make greater use of text (dialogue and overstated narrative structures). The stylized and imaginary columns give up words as well as the left columns. Sometimes they go totally wordless, like Barney HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-18072225746618358732007-11-26T17:20:00.000+01:002007-11-26T17:20:00.000+01:00Probably D -- his most important era was early 30s...Probably D -- his most important era was early 30s to early 40s. One important aspect for Shimizu is "reality of place". His films make place very tangible. He is very like Kiarostami (though AK probably never encountered his work).<BR/><BR/>Apparently the term "neo-realism" was apparently _first_ coined in Japan by Shimizu's colleague Shimazu -- in the early 30s. ;}Michael E. Kerpan Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14520243158889746324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-59966359456044642872007-11-26T15:55:00.000+01:002007-11-26T15:55:00.000+01:00Where should I put it on the chart? Silent era onl...Where should I put it on the chart? Silent era only or his late filsm too? D or E or something else?HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-49554128695732108972007-11-26T15:14:00.000+01:002007-11-26T15:14:00.000+01:00Just recently re-watched Hiroshi Shimizu's Arigato...Just recently re-watched Hiroshi Shimizu's Arigato-san. I really think Shimizu is more a precursor of CC than either Ozu or Mizoguchi. Both admired Shimizu greatly -- and recognized that there were some things he could do that were simply beyond them. It is a crime that Shimizu's major works are totally unavailable (there were unsubbed Japanese videos, but even these are probably out of print Michael E. Kerpan Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14520243158889746324noreply@blogger.com