tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post7974540126321701344..comments2024-03-28T11:25:51.846+01:00Comments on Unspoken Cinema: Tentative genealogyBenoitRouillyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13525748892885946674noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-81846914770983020202007-05-02T22:31:00.000+02:002007-05-02T22:31:00.000+02:00Hi Paul,What were these tables in that documentary...Hi Paul,<BR/>What were these tables in that documentary? I haven't seen it.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately I did it quickly by hand on a paint board. I wish I had used Photoshop layers. I'm not familiar with Excel, I wouldn't know how to do something like this. Do you know how?<BR/><BR/>There are more changes to update, and to discuss together. Although the visualisation of this table helped me to figureHarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-24725368483616576882007-05-02T15:18:00.000+02:002007-05-02T15:18:00.000+02:00Harry, what have you created the image in original...Harry, what have you created the image in originally? Excel? It'd be interesting to get a soft copy of the source document (not just the jpg).Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10965628567103267009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-86333910317623680882007-05-02T15:15:00.000+02:002007-05-02T15:15:00.000+02:00I think an evolving chart like this is very helpfu...I think an evolving chart like this is very helpful to conceptualise things for certain brain types (like my own). A picture paints a thousand words. It reminds me of the similarly fascinating genealogy tables that were presented in the documentary, <I>Metal: A Headbanger's Journey</I> (Sam Dunn & Scott McFadyen, 2005).Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10965628567103267009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-17053289007416489152007-01-30T15:46:00.000+01:002007-01-30T15:46:00.000+01:00I made a few changes to the map picture above.I made a few changes to the <a href="http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k22/harrytuttle_screenville/CCgenealogy2.jpg">map picture</a> above.HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-59820160201175170852007-01-29T11:09:00.000+01:002007-01-29T11:09:00.000+01:00I believe the meaning is in the facts depicted the...<em>I believe the meaning is in the facts depicted themselves, the reality, people, things, nature, <em>without symbolism</em>.</em><br /><br />Harry, what an irony, the same happened in Bulgarian post-war poetry - Atanas Dalchev, for example, created his lyrics out of "dead" objects: a room, a door, a mirror, a street (that's how they're called: "The Room", "The Door", etc.), in his poetry Marinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324018240941018404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-1553684639679825272007-01-27T19:54:00.000+01:002007-01-27T19:54:00.000+01:00I understand that Michael, like Adrian says, the a...I understand that Michael, like Adrian says, the auteurs we talk about here might very well disagree about being called "contemplative" or even put in the same box with another auteur they don't like... But criticism is not meant to give a representation of reality (or the auteur's reality, which is not necessarily the most correct one), this kind of work here propose a framework to read the HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-52995056904167480482007-01-27T19:48:00.000+01:002007-01-27T19:48:00.000+01:00Thank you Zach. I'd really like to know what you t...Thank you Zach. I'd really like to know what you think of this (arbitrary) categorization. Please don't change anything to your post because of my speculative genealogy, I think it's more interesting to confront various perspectives. The blogathon ends with January, but later developments will resurect this blog hopefully.<br /><br />Adrian,<br />I assume an auteurist position so my preference inHarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-62656682075490539122007-01-27T19:47:00.000+01:002007-01-27T19:47:00.000+01:00Of course, Ozu himself spoke quite dismissively of...Of course, Ozu himself spoke quite dismissively of those who tried to pigeonhole as "zen or something". Using Schrader as a starting point for understanding Ozu is like deciding to run a race in the opposite direction from the other runners. Every step one takes leads one father from success.Michael E. Kerpan Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14520243158889746324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-82063575104109350582007-01-27T18:09:00.000+01:002007-01-27T18:09:00.000+01:00Harry,
This comment thread would make an interest...Harry, <br />This comment thread would make an interesting post. <br />You caught me with your suggestion that we not be positivistic about the filmic elements used in CC (our term, after all; and a term many of our film-makers may not agree with!)... In Ozu, no doubt, CC is zen. Tarr is a bit more wily, but I think he's a painter of sorts. Very involved in his films, and in some ways his adrian chanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02004985533720113801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-66841363231601386732007-01-27T16:44:00.000+01:002007-01-27T16:44:00.000+01:00This is an excellent resource, Harry, really an in...This is an excellent resource, Harry, really an interesting way of categorizing things. I don't have anything else to say to that yet, really.<br /><br />The one bad thing is that I feel my own follow-up contemplative cinema blog entry (which also deals with genealogy and history) needs major revision in light of this--and now I don't know when I'll be able to finish it for sure!ZChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10211734319629732065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-31929949852123687982007-01-27T12:51:00.000+01:002007-01-27T12:51:00.000+01:00Thanks Adrian Chan,
I like your description of tim...Thanks Adrian Chan,<br />I like your description of time in the camerawork. Certainly a stylistic map would issue a different genealogy. But maybe it's more difficult to establish precisely as there are so many components.<br />The rhythm-time-camera association, which was also an idea developped by cineboy and Johanna at <a href="http://pilgrimakimbo.blogspot.com/2007/01/HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-16034732778581778532007-01-25T21:01:00.000+01:002007-01-25T21:01:00.000+01:00Harry, this a rather wonderful achievement. I don'...Harry, this a rather wonderful achievement. I don't have much to say here except that I plan on examining your geneology in more detail. I assume this is a work in progress and will change over time? If so, I hope this blogathon has been helpful.Tuckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11561135235230975798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-32303386803082639392007-01-25T19:07:00.000+01:002007-01-25T19:07:00.000+01:00interesting comments on the camera work -- Tarr ha...interesting comments on the camera work -- Tarr has several ways of using camera to control motion/movement and time. Tracking a moving actor actually eliminates the distance from movement, resulting in a kind of still image of motion (e.g. two actors walking, shot directly alongside, will appear to be on a treadmill). As a still he removes the "action" and instead we contemplate their adrian chanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02004985533720113801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-22707380474898658552007-01-25T12:07:00.000+01:002007-01-25T12:07:00.000+01:00Thank you Marina. :)
That's an interesting comment...Thank you Marina. :)<br />That's an interesting comment. <br /><br />Actually this "genealogy" is not a stylistic map (I agree that the auteurs ending up in the same subgroup have very personal/distinct style), but more like a repartition of basic domains in cinema grammar (the constitution of their universe, WHAT they film, their subject, not HOW). On this map I tried to figure what kind of HarryTuttlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10721542203087536185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35348238.post-42298815453530598032007-01-25T09:57:00.000+01:002007-01-25T09:57:00.000+01:00Incredible work, Harry!
I recently saw Dumont's F...Incredible work, Harry!<br /><br />I recently saw Dumont's <em>Flandres</em>, knowing it is considered to be contemplative (from the genealogy list) as well as Dumont as a whole, though I haven't seen anything else by him. However, there was something different than what is observed in, say, Tsai or Hou, or Hong (of Tarr I've seen bits and nothing of Costa). The camera wasn't always static, but Marinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324018240941018404noreply@blogger.com